This is fascinating and I do hope it continues to develop as a support for writers and that writers use it within these guidelines. I think we bump up against larger cultural conflicts that certainly aren’t the fault of the tool, but it highlights these issues. For example, a college professor friend has seen an alarming increase in her composition course of students doing what you advised against: copying and pasting without applying any thinking or analysis. I am sympathetic to students who have been taught that a good grade is the desired result, rather than learning to think. Mistakes are so much more instructive, but we never seem to allow anyone to make them. Here’s hoping that the increase in AI tools makes human elements in writing more valuable overall. Ok,
I feel like an old granny, even though the prospect of quoting sources at lightning speed is genuinely delicious. I will give this a test drive for sure.
Steven... I have just found this product and have used it for the last 3-4 days and find it really useful. I have a notebook with 4 long pdf documents related to Biblical prophecy and it is really surprising to see a concise summary of each document just by clicking on that document. Two great features I have already found; each question shows the number of citations and you can clickeach and review the actual citation, and the second is the suggested questions from the documents. A really beneficial way to study the material.
I'm not totally sure this is correct but it appears that when asking questions the results only come from the sources in the notebook which limits a bit continual investigation outside the notebook sources. For my needs it would be beneficial to have a ChatGPT like interface to the broader band of knowledge of the large lanugage models of the recent AI vintage.
I really think Google is onto something here and combined with broad LLM results could be spectacular.
As a relatively recent convert to writing both fiction and essays in Scrivener, I’m curious how you find using Notebook LM in comparison to a deep writing tool (which is more devoted to creating and structuring pieces rather than finding research), and/or how you see them interacting in your workflow if you’re using both. I’m in the UK so unable to try for myself for now, but I must confess I’m interested.....
Hey Stephen! I'm a huge fan of the concept of the adjacent possible as you've outlined in (most recently for me, anyway) "Where Good Ideas Come From." I agree completely with this way of thinking about how ideas form. I'm a huge fan of Feynman, and write about him way too much, largely because I think this is just how he saw the world.
Just wanted to throw that out there first! I'm playing with Notebook LM now, but it doesn't seem quite ready for prime time. it loses the conversation thread quickly and isn't keeping up with my conversation (for reference, I use GPT4 and Bard every day). I'm confident this will improve rapidly, and i am excited!
This is fascinating and I do hope it continues to develop as a support for writers and that writers use it within these guidelines. I think we bump up against larger cultural conflicts that certainly aren’t the fault of the tool, but it highlights these issues. For example, a college professor friend has seen an alarming increase in her composition course of students doing what you advised against: copying and pasting without applying any thinking or analysis. I am sympathetic to students who have been taught that a good grade is the desired result, rather than learning to think. Mistakes are so much more instructive, but we never seem to allow anyone to make them. Here’s hoping that the increase in AI tools makes human elements in writing more valuable overall. Ok,
I feel like an old granny, even though the prospect of quoting sources at lightning speed is genuinely delicious. I will give this a test drive for sure.
Steven... I have just found this product and have used it for the last 3-4 days and find it really useful. I have a notebook with 4 long pdf documents related to Biblical prophecy and it is really surprising to see a concise summary of each document just by clicking on that document. Two great features I have already found; each question shows the number of citations and you can clickeach and review the actual citation, and the second is the suggested questions from the documents. A really beneficial way to study the material.
I'm not totally sure this is correct but it appears that when asking questions the results only come from the sources in the notebook which limits a bit continual investigation outside the notebook sources. For my needs it would be beneficial to have a ChatGPT like interface to the broader band of knowledge of the large lanugage models of the recent AI vintage.
I really think Google is onto something here and combined with broad LLM results could be spectacular.
As a relatively recent convert to writing both fiction and essays in Scrivener, I’m curious how you find using Notebook LM in comparison to a deep writing tool (which is more devoted to creating and structuring pieces rather than finding research), and/or how you see them interacting in your workflow if you’re using both. I’m in the UK so unable to try for myself for now, but I must confess I’m interested.....
Curious Steven - do you guys have "beta" users providing input/feedback on this product?
Thanks!
Hey Stephen! I'm a huge fan of the concept of the adjacent possible as you've outlined in (most recently for me, anyway) "Where Good Ideas Come From." I agree completely with this way of thinking about how ideas form. I'm a huge fan of Feynman, and write about him way too much, largely because I think this is just how he saw the world.
Just wanted to throw that out there first! I'm playing with Notebook LM now, but it doesn't seem quite ready for prime time. it loses the conversation thread quickly and isn't keeping up with my conversation (for reference, I use GPT4 and Bard every day). I'm confident this will improve rapidly, and i am excited!
Does Google retain access to either the source materials (as in your Commonplace Book) or your questions?
THX, will surely have a close look.